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Wednesday, May 03, 2006

I am Banned!

I have been banned from commenting on a blog. This is the first time anything like this has happened to me. Let me catch you all up. So there is a little controversy going on in the Homeschooling Carnival this week. It is not a new issue. It is all over spanking and child abuse. There is a couple, the Pearls, who wrote a child training book, To Train Up A Child. In the book they propose some practices that I consider child abuse. A woman (whom I do not know) was supposedly following them when she basically tied her kid into bed with blankets and he suffocated. The Old Schoolhouse, and their blog site HomeSchoolBlogger, accept advertising money from the Pearls Ministry, No Greater Joy. Well, this has appeared to have caused a Christian vs non-Christian throw down. HSB (and all who blog upon it) is now being boycotted by some and the arguement has now gone from just child abuse (the Pearls propose hitting your child with plumbing hose starting with a set of 10 hits) to just spanking. Some believe that it is all child abuse while others of us believe in corporal punishment (within bounds, of course). One of the posts in yesterday's carnival was on the Strong Willed Child. Within that post was one phrase, "the occasional infliction of pain", and that sent everything into a frenzy. Questions like, why was this included, were asked and conversations on another blog abounded. I posted a comment to clarify a point (specifically, when is it ok to "beat" a child) that someone else was making. Don't take my word for it, here is is:
The post in question didn't say beat. There is a large difference between a swat on the bottom for doing something dangerous (one of my little ones tunred his 4 foot hamper upside down, climbed on top of it and was trying to shimmy up his 7 foot dresser, he is 4 logic doesn't always work) and beating them. I thought that the boycott was good because the Pearls were puporting abuse but be careful with that wide brush. Just because it isn't abuse doesn't mean you have to do that. I believe that is where energyanalyst was going with it.
I am now banned from commenting ever again, she will delete my comments (and she replied with a cuss word).

So now you all are caught up. NerdDad says that he is shocked it has taken this long in my bloggin career. No big deal, right? She was unreasonable in her views, isn't it expected for her to respond unreasonably to me. Sure, only it isn't that easy. It has been driving me crazy since it happened yesterday. I love discussing things with others who don't agree with me but have the same real goal. I have friends, whom I respect, who don't spank. This statement make shock some who see me but don't really know me but here it goes...I hate it when people don't like me or think poorly of me. I want to cry (and I am not a crier). I have an urge to go back to this blog from which I am banned, and justify, pander or otherwise convince this person that I am a good person. But should I? NerdDad says no. I know that I was correct in my statement and my intentions were good. I just need to walk away. It does make me afraid to deal with other that don't hold to all my beliefs. While I can look past a lot (the blog owner is gay but that doesn't effect our discussions on good homeschooling resources) but I don't want to be attacked. I have always had some non-Christian friends and study partners in school. We always learned a lot and respected each other. My liberal professors even respected me because we could talk about isses without attacks. As I enter into educating my kids it grieves me that those opportunities may be gone from my life forever.

Oh, by the way, I spank....I hope to be done by the time they are 6 (ish) and I am open to other approaches but if they don't (and person or property are at risk) I spank. Book is over, back to our normal nerdy blogging.

9 Comments:

  • This is not YOUR fault. You have an opinion. You are entitled to it. People who post their opinions on the internet have to know that not everyone is going to agree! If you are trying to avoid opposition, then don't post controversial issues on the internet! As long as you are not slanderous or verbally abusive, you have every right to express your opinion.

    By Blogger April, at 6:19 PM  

  • I guess this is in the category of suffering injustice (in my faith tradition, this suffering is viewed as redemptive, both of the sufferer and on behalf of other sinners). Sheesh, so now we can't even associate online with people when we disagree with them? BTW, we did a lot more spanking with our first two and less and less with the following three. But we still have been known to spank when reason doesn't work, although we'd like to be more creative. Ultimately, the kids all seem to turn out reasonably well...

    By Blogger Unknown, at 7:37 PM  

  • Wow. I can't believe all this. I have never read the Pearl's books on child-rearing, but I mean - come on! It is common sense to know the difference between harsh freaky treatment and a normal spanking with a belt (as we do for severe direct disobedience in our home). We do all the other minor negative concequence discipline techniques also (time out, corner, grounded from favorite item of the moment, no screen time, etc.)... and we also use positive reward and praise as discipline techniques as well. I know people who choose NOT to spank, and I never have thought that an argument would ensue about this issue amongst homeschoolers that would result in "ex-communication"-type reactions. Hey... GOD gave you your kids and he gave me mine. As long as you aren't ABUSING them and I'm not ABUSING mine, why can't we all just act like adults and try and be uplifting, edifying, brothers/sisters in Christ and pray and love eachother?

    I understand your sensitive side, as I have my own. Don't let this be bigger than it is. Your worth is not wrapped up in what some other blogger thinks of you (and you would be surprised how little other bloggers do think of other bloggers). :) We all are preoccupied with that next meaty post on our plates for the most part... trying to get the nerdiness down in type! Hang in there and take your wise Nerd-man's advice! My Nerd-man's advice to me (being as un-politically correct as any woman can possibly be without causing riots in the street) was to NOT blog. I have not yet taken his advice. ;) Maybe one day... but for now, I just can't quit.

    By Blogger Sprittibee, at 8:48 PM  

  • Nerdmom, I am sorry this has happened to you. I found out pretty early on that the boycott is not so much about children as it is about control. I blogged about how awful the Pearls really are (and I have sat through a four session seminar of the man, I KNOW how awful their teachings are). There was not a single comment on that post. Then I posted that I did not think a boycott was the way to go on this issue. The comments started rolling in; profane and insulting. I was listed as a child beater on two prominent homeschool blogs and as a moron on a blog of little importance. I eventually had to shut my blog down as it contained pictures of my kids and pictures of the front of my house and someone sent me an email that contained my home address and a threat towards my kids.

    Not about kids, not about child abuse, it is about control and bullying people who do not agree. I don't spank. I don't appreciate the so called ministries of people like the Pearls. I have fought against this type of teaching in my own real life homeschool community. I have done so effectively. And yet, my voice was not to be heard on the internet because it did not line up with their agenda.

    Not about kids, all about control.

    By Blogger Kelli in TN, at 9:06 PM  

  • This is not your fault! You have to remember that a lot of people do not like it when others call them on the carpet for something or oppose something they believe in! I've seen you and NerdDad with your kids and neither of you do anything wrong in regards to their punishment. That is what you have CHOSEN to do and there is nothing wrong with it. Using a plumbing hose and tying your child to the bed and suffocating him? Sorry, but they don't deserve to be parents! And that is MY opinion!

    By Blogger Maya, at 2:21 PM  

  • Kelli, for somebody who begged me to take down my post referring to you because you wanted it to all go away - you sure are showing up in a lot of comment sections reliving the incident. This is the 2nd one today. Your post was way more pro Pearls than you let on now. (IIRC, your exact words were that the "Pearl's ideas were no big deal") I took you at your word back then that you didn't mean it that way, so let it go before I start looking for a backup of my site ;)

    BTW, I'm not sure ODonnellWeb qualifies as a prominent anything, but thanks anyway.

    By Blogger COD, at 4:28 PM  

  • Thanks for the reminder Chris. I feel better about things since I changed my email address and no longer have photographs of my kids or house on the web. I do empathize with those who find themselves labeled unfairly. I was labeled a child beater and I simply am not one. One sarcastic comment about Michael Pearl simply does not make me a child beater.

    And to save you from looking it up, I said that while he did write about tying heart strings he also wrote things that were a "tad bit troubling". Seeing as this post followed a post about how dreadful he is, it would not be a stretch to see it as the sarcasm it was meant to be. I believe the words "tad bit troubling" are what troubled you.

    I am not a child beater, I am not a child beater. I may misuse sarcasm but I am not a child beater. Nowhere on my now defunct blog, nowhere in any comment box anywhere have I ever said anything that would lead anyone to reasonably label me a child beater. Nobody in real life, my husband and kids included, would label me a child beater.

    And yes, I consider your blog pretty prominent. I like your blog and visit it daily and if any good came out of being mislabeled a child beater, it was that I found a few blogs that are really interesting to read. I have commented agreeably on your blog a couple of times. I really do appreciate your point of view and learn a lot from your site.

    But I had to disagree with you when you called me a child beater. I don't hit kids. Therefore I cannot be a child beater. I don't like Pearls, I honestly don't. I disliked them long before they became an internet issue. I truly appreciated that you took the post down. That act on your part, shutting down my blog, removing any traces of my kids or my private life from the internet world, and changing my email address all seemed to work together to diffuse the threats.

    I have an unfortunate way of expressing sarcasm, but I am not a child beater. And I did not deserve the backlash that came from being labeled a child beater. And yes, I now know that someone out there has my home address and it is a bit unnerving. But I have removed all traces of my kids and my private life from anyplace I had posted it. After that, I just hope the threats were just false bravado and no longer regret that I have two dogs who bark at every little sound.

    By Blogger Kelli in TN, at 8:54 PM  

  • The question for me remains: is it not a good idea to teach one's children the moral precept of the minimum possible use of violence, ie: to use violence only as a very last resort?

    If you do want to share this apparently good precept with one's children, and given that there are families out there who have demonstrated that it is perfectly possible to raise children successfully without spanking them, how can you possibly demonstrate that you are not a hypocrite when you hit your child?

    (It IS, for example, perfectly possible to demonstrate to a toddler (without hitting) that an electric socket is dangerous.)

    By Blogger Carlotta, at 12:26 PM  

  • Wow. I go on vacation for a few days and miss all the excitement. That'll teach me.

    NerdMom, I'll repeat what you and the others already said: You didn't do anything wrong. I love it that you can argue (i.e. reason) with people who disagree with you. It's the only way I can really be convinced of something--to hear two (or more) differing sides of an issue hashed out. Unfortunately, sometimes take it personally when their reasons start to appear weak, they take it personally and become defensive, and it seems like that is what has happened. So, don't you take it personally too. I know that you are always open to taking on a different way of doing things if you can be convinced that it is good. Don't be upset just because someone else can't.

    carlotta - speaking of open to learning new things-I am trying to train my 9 month old who just started crawling to leave the electrical sockets alone, so I am intrigued by your comment. Please tell me more!

    By Blogger Sara Edwards, at 2:36 PM  

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